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Dr. Goel:
The mundane things also go in the Higher Self?
SWAMIJI: By accepting that the Higher Self
includes all these mundane things, so that you need not have to ask for mundane
things separately, it includes whatever you want, even your train fare is
included in that, so, why are you worrying about these little things, when it
is already there? The idea of avoiding something is painful, but I am not
telling you to avoid anything. Just realise that what is here, is also there,
in a better way.
Dr. Goel: What
is here, is also there.
SWAMIJI: So, why should you go here, when
it is already there? And it is in a larger dimension that you will get it
there; it is only a fraction you will get here. That is the original; this is a
reflection. So, why do you want a reflection, when the original is ready there?
Dr. Goel: So,
that is why I always want to go in the Higher Self.
SWAMIJI: If you want it, it will come. There
is no qualification necessary, except wanting it. That is the only
qualification. If it is not wanted, it will not come. It comes when it is
wanted - but wanted wholly, not a little.
If I like you only for some time what kind
of statement is it? Is there any sense or meaning in it? Like that, you tell
God, also: "For some time I like you, because I want some help from you;
otherwise, I can manage myself." What kind of person are you?
Dr. Goel: Too
much selfishness is there.
SWAMIJI: "When I want something from you, I
like you. When I have nothing to do with you, well, you mind your business."
This kind of thing you tell to God, also.
Dr. Goel: Yes.
Selfishness is there.
SWAMIJI: Yes, we sell a lot of fish. How
much fish will you sell?
Dr. Goel: I
want all my thoughts always to be in the Infinite, in tune with the Almighty.
SWAMIJI: When you can find everything
there, why should you have problems? The problem is that you cannot believe
that everything can be found there. "The heart has a reason which reason does
not know," is an old saying. So, whatever you may say, the heart will say, "Do
not be too optimistic. Be cautious." Like that, it will tell from inside.
"After all, you are going to some unknown place. Be cautious." So, there is a
hesitancy in going there.
If you say everything is there, yes, I
understand; but, still the heart has a reason which reason does not know. It
will whisper something: "Don't be too optimistic; don't be foolish; go slow."
All this, it will tell. So, what to do? Whose voice are you going to listen to?
And the world will tell you, "I have taken
care of you for so many years, and now what is your idea of kicking me out, and
going like that? Are you ungrateful? What kind of person are you? So many
people have protected you and taken care of you, and made you what you are, and
you will simply throw them out, and go somewhere? Is this a gentlemanly
attitude?" This it will tell from within.
A hundred questions will come from inside.
One by one, they will come. They do not come always together; sometimes,
finally, one questions comes: "It is a hopeless thing, a hopeless affair;
nothing has come, and nothing may come, also." This trouble also may arise from
inside.
There are some intelligent lawyers in the
court. Before any question is raised by the other party, they can visualise
what questions will arise. All the questions they themselves will raise, as can
be put by the opposite party, so that the other one has nothing to say, and
they will furnish the answer also subsequently. If he is a very able lawyer, he
can already assume what questions can arise, contravening his position, and
answer them then and there. The other party will then have the mouth shut.
Sankaracharya's commentaries are highly
polemical. "If you say like that, this is the answer to you. But you may
counteract and say this is wrong; for that, I rebut like this."
It has to be clear what questions will
arise. They are only two or three questions the mind has generally, and these
manifest as hundreds, as light becomes manifold by passing through a prism.
Questions are only two or three, basically. All of humanity has only two or
three questions, but it appears to be manifold because of this prism of the ego
which converts the issues into a manifold form, and then tantalises, and
troubles you.
Place one image, and then keep two glasses
on both sides. Then you will see millions of images reflected on both sides.
Only one is there, but it looks like millions; likewise, only one desire is
there, finally. But it looks like a hundredfold, because it passes through the
ego, which is the peculiar medium that deflects a centrality of aspiration, and
makes it appear as manifold.
Dr. Goel: You
have said that nothing exists outside; everything is in you. How can we convince
ourselves that nothing exists?
SWAMIJI: Who are the "ourselves"? Where are
they? You have again defeated your own self by saying, "Nothing exists outside,
but I am existing." You have already asserted that you are existing outside,
and then you say, at the same time, that nothing exists outside. Thus, your
statement is self-contradictory. If nothing is outside, you also do not exist;
then, why are you wanting to convince yourself? That means that you are still
existing as an outside object.
You are, somehow, by the back door, coming
to the same point. By the front side, you say it is not there; by the back
side, I am here. So, what is the purpose? It is back-door entry. You close the
door from the front, and behind you open it. This is what you are doing.
Dr. Goel: That
is what happens in life.
SWAMIJI: No, that is no good. Back-door
entry is no good. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde are the two friends you have.
Sometimes this man speaks, and sometimes that man speaks. You don't know what
to make out.
Dr. Goel: Yes,
that is correct. That is the problem of life.
SWAMIJI: Two voices will be telling you two
different things, like one man with two wives. They will quarrel, and then say
different things, and the man has to hide, afterwards. He has to run away from there.
So, likewise, these two friends are telling you two things. Sometimes this
looks all right, and sometimes that looks all right, according to your mood and
requirement and the voice heard from within.
Dr. Goel: But
what is the solution? That is the problem.
SWAMIJI: Already you have given the
solution. That which you want is everywhere; therefore, you are also there.
Hence, you should not raise a question. If you raise a question, you are
asserting your externality still, and then your assertion that externality does
not exist gets defeated. The question defeats itself.
Andrea: Swamiji,
what are those two basic questions?
SWAMIJI: I did not want to tell all these
things, but you are a very clever person. You understood what I said. You want
to know everything before you leave this place.
Andrea: Yes.
SWAMIJI: Do you want to know everything?
Andrea: Yes.
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