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Patrick: I
want to discover what it means to live the truth.
SWAMIJI: When you are so clear in your mind
as to what truth is, and your devotion to it is clear, why should there be so
many questions? To be the truth is to live the truth. That's all. When you
become the truth, you are supposed to be living the truth. So what is the
problem about it? It is so clear. When the matter is clear to you, no question
will arise further.
It is like asking how to be conscious that
it is daytime now. Nobody will put such a question, because it is so clear. So
when you are conscious that you are in truth, you have already lived the truth.
That's all; the matter is closed. There is no question afterwards. Only if you
have not entered it, you are still outside truth, the question arises as to how
to live it.
Patrick: But
is it possible for a person who has not had the experience of that which is
beyond the mind to still live his life as a reflection of truth?
SWAMIJI: You can live conceptually, though
you have not actually entered it. It is one of the stages. You can conceive it
and live a mental conception of it, though you may not have actually entered
it. It is a preparatory stage.
Patrick:
There are many people who I feel have had the direct experience of who they
are, but they are not fully established in that knowledge so they sometimes
fall back to identifying with the emotions. So, they have the knowledge...
SWAMIJI: They cannot fall back if they have
actually entered it. If the possibility of falling back is there, then they
have not fully entered it. They have discovered it only conceptually, not
actually.
Patrick:
What do Self-realised people see?
SWAMIJI: Self-realised people do not see
"others." The question of others does not arise. They will see one thing
everywhere; the others are also included in that vision of the One. When you
see the ocean, you have seen all the waters. There is no need of seeing
different drops. The "other people" question will not arise, because they will
be merged together with that Universal Being.
Himself, others, all will be inside that
One Being so that the question of myself and yourself will not arise. The
thought will be operating through the Universal Being. It won't operate through
one person - neither through this person, nor that person. It will operate integrally
through the Cosmic Being. That is how it works.
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