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Spanish Visitor: There is so much suffering, and struggle; a war is going on right
now because of egoism, power, pride...
SWAMIJI: You see, sometimes you sneeze,
sometimes you have pain the stomach, sometimes you have fever; are these good
things or bad things? These things are not called good things, but why do they
happen, if they are not good? Why do people vomit sometimes? Why do these
things happen?
The reason why these things happen is also
the reason why the other things happen, to which you made reference. It is a
cosmic dislocation making internal adjustments. These things, sneezing,
stomachache, fever, etc., are internal adjustments of the body to maintain its
balance. It passes through certain peculiar painful adjustments for the purpose
of maintaining a balance of health. Otherwise, unnecessarily, why should you
vomit and all that? No purpose is served. Nature maintains a kind of balance
where certain extremes take place, which maintain the balance.
When you eat too much, you will have a
loose motion. Now, it is not a bad thing that is happening, though it is
certainly not a happy thing. It is necessary for the maintenance of the health
of the body. You have done some extreme thing by overeating. You have walked in
the rain, which is an extreme thing that you have done, so you got sneezing and
fever. You have not slept properly, because you travelled too much in the
railway train for days together,
Mild dislocations are set right by mild
adjustments. Serious dislocations may lead to surgical operations. Then,
destruction, flood, earthquake, war, and wholesale wiping out of humanity in
certain parts also can take place, as when some extreme illness has crept into
the system, some limb of the body may have to be severed by amputation. It is
not a bad thing, because it is necessary for maintaining the balance of your
system. It is a painful thing, but it is a necessary thing, also.
You have to see as Nature sees, not as one
person sees. A limb that is severed by amputation may not like to be amputated,
but you must not see it from the point of view of the limb only. You must see
from the point of view of the whole organism; then, you will see the necessity
for it, though it is a very unpleasant thing. So, unpleasant things are not always
unnecessary things.
We cannot have a cosmic eye, and we cannot
think as Nature thinks. The total eye of Nature alone can see the total need
within its constitution, which includes people like us. We are also a part of
Nature only. So, when it does something for maintaining its own internal
constitutional balance, and it does it for its own purpose, which is the
well-being of the whole, we, as isolated individuals, who cannot think as
Nature as a total thinks, find that some odd thing is taking place; it looks
like it is not very good.
Nature never does a bad thing. There is no
such thing as a bad thing for Nature. It looks unpleasant, because we are
outside Nature, psychologically. If we are one with Nature, we will see nothing
improper taking place. We are looking at things by standing outside nature.
That is why we cannot see things properly and impartially.
American Visitor: War and hunger and these things have been happening since the
beginning of time, and you said something about Nature taking its course. Could
you clarify that for me, on how Nature affects?
SWAMIJI: I have already told this, and
again you are asking the same question. Which point is not clear to you? We are
parts of Nature. Every one of us is a part of Nature. Do you understand? And
every part is supposed to be in harmony with the whole. A part should not be in
disharmony with the whole; otherwise, the whole will take action against the
part, and set it right by doing something, which is what I mentioned in some
detail, and that something is the thing that you see with your eyes.
We are in disharmony with Nature,
disharmonious with God Himself. We are asserting our individuality too much,
which Nature abhors. No limb of the body can assert independence totally out of
harmony with the organism; then, pain will start, aches and all sorts of
illness will arise. That illness is rectified by Nature's medical activity; the
medical activity may be bitter medicine, or it may be a surgical action, which
it does, as all these events that you see in the world taking place. It can be
a thunder, it can be a flood, it can be anything; it can do whatever it likes
for its purpose.
In the same way as you do not complain
against anything that is happening within yourself, you will not complain against
anything happening in the world, if you are one with the total whole. You do
not go on complaining against yourself. You know the reason for it. You do not
complain, you simply see that it is rectified. Similarly, you will not make
complaints against anything if you are one with Nature, and if you can think
through the mind of Nature and see it with the eye of Nature. Now, we are not
able to do that; we are thinking individually, so we do not understand what is
happening. The lower whole has to be sacrificed for the higher whole.
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